Vijoy Pandey, senior vice president of Outshift, Cisco's internal incubator, argues for a future of "multi-agent human societies" working on drug and materials discovery, social interaction and physical labour. Getting there needs an open "internet of agents", which Outshift has open-sourced as AGNTCY. He ends on the problem he thinks comes next: agents that interoperate syntactically still don't share meaning.
Why agents, and why open. Pandey says the project began about two years before recording because no platform let agents and humans collaborate across vendors and clouds. Since Cisco helped build the open internet, it framed the platform the same way, arguing "open source are the new standards".
Deterministic plus probabilistic. Prompted by the host's mention of digital twins, Pandey argues the LLM craze ignores deterministic tools that work well. He backs neuro-symbolic approaches and cites Outshift's network validation pipeline, which pairs a digital twin of the network with generative agents for speed and accuracy.
The internet of agents in practice. His example pipeline, from a pharma company, runs from an LLM planner to a protein-folding model, robotic wet labs and trials, with agents checking cost, efficacy and compliance throughout. AGNTCY moved to the Linux Foundation with Cisco, Dell, Google, Red Hat and Oracle as formative members and about 80 other organizations. Cisco is also a foundational member of Google's A2A, because he says fragmentation would hurt adoption. He compares the moment to the pre-TCP/IP islands of DECnet, AppleTalk and IBM SNA, notes that QUIC later followed TCP, and expects many agent protocols. What matters, he says, is the scaffold around them: discovery (a DNS for agents), identity, messaging and evaluation.
Identity and zero trust. Pandey says IAM fails for agents because they are probabilistic and act at machine speed and scale. His task, tool and transaction-based access control (TBAC) issues just-in-time tokens for one task and revokes them. It needs identity-provider support, semantic parsing of agent discourse and sandboxed runtimes; his analogy is permission to withdraw $10 for 10 seconds rather than to open the whole safe. Role-based control remains for humans, who he expects to stay in the loop. Trust starts with a directory of agents ranked by reputation and is made rigorous through evaluation that feeds back into it. The aim, he says, is easier security approval for enterprises mixing agents from many vendors.
Adoption and motive. He points developers to Coffee AGNTCY, an open-source supply-chain reference app where components such as Cassandra, TIBCO, Okta or Duo can be swapped in. Cisco, he says, gains because open ecosystems maximize value for everyone, and agentic distributed computing is its "birthright".
What's next. Today's frameworks, LangGraph, CrewAI, Bedrock and Google's Agent SDK, handle syntax. The harder layer is semantic: agreeing what "best" or "90%" means, which brings in knowledge and cognition.