The host talks with Chris Goldsmith, founder of the Task Force Butler Institute and Veterans Fighting Fascism, who ends up arguing that the Trump administration's Iran war and its purge of dissenting Pentagon staff reflect an old, long-shelved invasion plan revived by ideologues, and that opposing it effectively means organized economic pressure and local networking rather than protest marches alone.
Background and veteran advocacy. Goldsmith describes running open-source intelligence research into domestic extremists to build criminal cases, and his earlier career at Vietnam Veterans of America, where he says the guiding lesson was separating the war from the warrior — Vietnam veterans came home to neglect and slurs despite many having been drafted, a mistake he says is being repeated on sailors and Marines now deployed for extended tours in the Persian Gulf.
The Iran war's origins and Pentagon purge. He says a Pentagon advisor close to Pete Hegseth, Dan Caldwell, was fired roughly a year before the war began for opposing it, and cites an unnamed retired Marine intelligence officer's account that invasion planning for Iran dates to 2006, periodically shelved and now revived. He argues the administration's war plan relied on a mistaken assumption that Kurdish forces would supply ground troops, which he says the Kurds refused given past US betrayals, and links that distrust to Trump's reported plan to relocate Afghan wartime interpreters to Africa.
Predictions for the summer. As a self-described threat analyst, he expects rising protest activity as warm weather begins the "fighting season," predicts a "blue wave" in the midterms driven by economic pain, and forecasts that a Strait of Hormuz blockade paralyzing roughly a fifth of oil trade will further destabilize Europe and drive the administration toward harsher domestic measures as it fails abroad.
Domestic politics and incompetence. He calls Tulsi Gabbard a toxic, unpredictable leader based on his own dealings with her office's high staff turnover, and worries this extends to her national intelligence role. Drawing a parallel to Nazi Germany's loyalist-but-incompetent inner circle, he argues Trump's team is shielded from consequence for now, but that the Iran war's mismanagement is accelerating a reckoning — while crediting a "military industrial complex," a term he attributes to Woodrow Wilson, with the deeper structural power that outlasts any single administration.
Organizing strategy. He advocates targeted consumer boycotts of major companies' subscriptions — citing Scott Galloway's "resist and unsubscribe" campaign, which he says he inspired — as a way to translate economic pain into political pressure, and frames mass protests like "No Kings" as valuable mainly for building the local, trust-based networks his Anti-Fascist Book Club is designed to seed, rather than as an end in themselves.
Personal risk. He recounts neo-Nazi death threats, including one that cost roughly $45,000 in legal costs to prosecute, and at least three swatting attempts using voice-cloned death threats, saying advance coordination with local police and his own combat and firearms training have kept his family safe.