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The hosts open a holiday-thin session with the S&P and Nasdaq roughly flat, bonds pinned in a weeks-long range, and gold and silver whipping violently against a backdrop of a silver short squeeze both hosts are personally caught in. Their running message for the day is defensive: with volume down 20-25% into year-end, size down, don't chase the metals move, and manage existing risk by rolling and reducing rather than by adding stops or new capital.

Zero-DTE risk and position sizing. A caller trading zero-DTE SPX iron condors on paper wants to add stop-losses because he's loss-averse. The hosts argue stops actively hurt results on defined-risk trades since a majority of trades that dip into losing territory come back to be winners; the better fix is trading smaller products -- ES (half the SPX size), or SPY and XSP (a tenth the size) -- rather than capping losses. If he still wants a stop, it must be a stop-limit, since a plain stop on a wide iron condor can fill far worse than intended.

Angel investing in friends and family. A caller considering funding a relative's startup is told to commit only an amount he'd be fully comfortable losing, since early-stage odds are long regardless of how good the idea or person seems; the position should be equity only, never a loan, and a strong outcome would create the option to invest again later rather than needing to be maximized up front.

Defending the silver squeeze. Two viewer emails describe being caught short calls or futures in the parabolic silver move, which one host attributes possibly to Chinese spot demand or margin-call chatter, without endorsing either explanation. Both hosts are in the same trade: hold or roll out to February rather than close, don't add to the position, and use a stop well above the market -- around 87 -- only if it would otherwise threaten the account. With IVR near 120, they'd rather add short premium via SLV strangles than trade the futures directly.

Starting a business, and a career pivot into investing. Answering a generic "how do I start a business" email, the hosts skip checklists in favor of one filter: total commitment, since half-measures and part-time efforts rarely survive. That theme carries into a call from a mid-30s tech veteran making $600k who has posted roughly 24% annual returns in value investing over six years and wants to go pro. The hosts, both veterans of running a hedge fund and a public mutual fund, tell him a fund path suits his hands-on temperament better than becoming an adviser, but warn that his whole adult investing life has only seen a bull market, and that raising outside capital -- roughly a $100,000 setup cost -- means becoming "a salesperson and a babysitter" who answers to other people's money.

AI versus the executive suite. Prompted by a viewer email, one host argues AI should replace expensive executives -- CFOs, CMOs, CTOs -- rather than entry-level staff, citing CEO pay as overpaid 40-60% against a $21 million S&P 500 benchmark; his co-host insists leadership and creativity can't be reduced to a language model. A live poll on replacing a CMO with AI closes 59-41 in favor.

Pairs trades and hedging philosophy. One segment walks through the most liquid pairs -- ES/NASDAQ, bonds/notes, gold/silver -- and the mean-reversion logic behind trading the spread rather than the direction; another call pushes back on a NASCAR braking analogy for hedging, with the hosts preferring to reduce position size or improve cost basis over adding hedges that consume capital. A caller's question about their post-tastytrade brokerage draws mention of the coming Lost Dog platform, which will display their portfolio (not individual trades) once launched. The show closes on quiet market action -- Meta higher, Micron still running post-earnings -- and a preview of New Year's prediction calls and 2026 contests tied to the platform launch.

The hosts open with gold and silver reversing hard after last week's parabolic squeeze -- silver down from an $82.70 high to the mid-70s, gold down roughly $200 -- and spend the day arguing that reduced risk, not prediction, is the right response to markets this violent: keep pairs trades on rather than chase direction, don't read skew as a forecast, and treat the choice between saving and spending, or renting and owning, as a personal-circumstance question rather than a formula.

The silver squeeze and pairs-trade mechanics. Both hosts are short silver from an average in the 50s to 60s and have ridden it through an $82.70 peak back down into the 70s, framing rumors about Chinese demand or margin calls as noise rather than an explanation worth trusting. A viewer's question about the gold-silver ratio trade prompts a detailed defense of pairs trading generally: buying one leg and selling the other against a highly correlated instrument reduces risk by roughly 85% versus an outright directional bet, by CME's own statistics, even though this particular spread has swung from about 100 to 55 in a week -- a $10,000 move per contract on the micro-sized legs. A separate question about the "1/3 rule" for credit spreads becomes an explainer on skew: when one side of a spread pays more credit than the other, it reflects the market's pricing of risk velocity, not a directional signal, and traders who read skew as a forecast are drawing a conclusion the pricing doesn't support.

Social Security timing. Two exchanges work through delaying Social Security: one viewer's research that waiting from 67 yields 7% more per year with a break-even age of 78-82 is confirmed as accurate by the hosts' own research, with the caveat that the strategy only pays off if you "wait and live." A caller raises the wrinkle of continuing to work while collecting early, describing a rule that benefits are docked a dollar for every two dollars earned above roughly $24,000; the hosts note the complexity of combining that with 401(k) contributions and defer a fuller answer to later research.

Meme stocks, sports betting, and generational risk-taking. A viewer's question about exchange-based sports betting versus crypto turns into the day's sharpest disagreement: one host calls current sports-betting apps predatory but argues moving betting onto exchanges would improve the product, and defends 2021's meme-stock mania as a net-positive transformational moment that introduced 20-30 million people to markets despite the era's chaos. The other pushes back that he lived through the meme-stock fallout -- blown-up accounts, frivolous lawsuits -- and won't credit it as unambiguously good. The disagreement extends into home ownership, where they debate whether younger buyers priced out of housing are rationally rotating into Bitcoin for higher expected upside.

Hiring value: athletes, degrees, and credentials. A caller's question about whether college athletics factors into employability produces a second flare-up: one host, a former D1 athlete, argues the work ethic required is a genuine hiring signal, while the other insists two decades of hiring shows no measurable difference between athletes, non-athletes, or advanced-degree holders, comparing it to overvaluing a PhD on a resume.

Career calls. A caller with a tastytrade account asks which mechanics from "The Unlucky Investor's Guide to Options" hold up in a small account; the answer is nearly all of them, with the emphasis on staying small and spreading risk across non-correlated underlyings while building experience. A Milwaukee electrical engineer weighing a pivot into financial engineering and coding is told the degree is rare enough to be a strong resume line, particularly for risk-systems programming roles that Chicago's high-frequency trading firms struggle to fill. The show closes with markets still down across the board -- Nasdaq off 166, gold down roughly $200 -- and a reminder that closing trades for 2025 tax purposes should happen soon given T+1 settlement.

After a long stretch of Bears-game banter, the hosts settle into a day whose through-line is risk management as a personal, non-formulaic choice: how much capital to raise, how much debt to accept, how actively to trade around a day job, and how much to trust historical averages versus recent ranges. Markets themselves barely move -- "Groundhog Day," one host calls it -- so the substance is mostly in the calls and letters.

Degrees, wealth, and never stopping. A caller stacking multiple degrees and minors is told they still matter to hiring even once internships enter the picture, with one host recalling choosing a candidate with two master's degrees over an otherwise-equal rival. A viewer's open-ended question about "what wealth means" to one host draws a firm answer: he doesn't stop taking risk once he's successful, because stopping was never the point -- risk-taking is what created the wealth in the first place, and he contrasts this with people who fantasize about walking away entirely after one big win.

Global labor competition and the H-1B fee. A caller in southern India describes the scale of new technical universities and companies now paying the $100,000 H-1B fee just to place workers in the US at wages still favorable relative to home-country pay. The hosts say their platform isn't yet built to address non-US labor markets but describe active work building an India-specific dataset, citing a large existing viewer base there; one calls the visa fee "the most ridiculous thing in the world," since it discourages the very talent inflow that benefits the US economy.

Silver, skew, and betting against a friend. A caller notes that a friend of the hosts, a bullish gold-and-silver trader, disagrees with their short-silver position, and asks why they don't just defer to his view. The answer is that no single person's fundamental call outweighs their own "pot odds" read: with silver at record highs, the risk/reward favors the downside regardless of who else is bullish, and the caller's invocation of the 100-year average gold-silver ratio (which would imply silver near $100) is waved off as irrelevant next to the ratio's actual recent multi-year range, currently near its lows.

Fitting active trading around a day job. A Montreal caller inspired by one host's "trade small, trade often" philosophy asks how to combine active options trading with a 9-to-5 job. The hosts differ slightly: one says defined-risk structures (verticals, iron condors, calendars) matter most if you can't watch the screen; the other says strategy choice matters less than position size, since keeping size small is itself the risk control, regardless of what's traded.

Capital raises, startup debt, and job offers. One letter asks about minimum viable Series A size; the hosts say $250,000 is too small for most firms' diligence effort, and that raises of $500,000 to $2 million (or $10-20 million for private equity) are, counterintuitively, easier to close than smaller ones. Another caller offered a half-debt, half-equity startup deal is told to insist on pure equity, since debt in a pre-revenue company carries the same practical risk as equity but caps the upside and has no collateral behind it. A third letter about a job offer conditioned on a six-month trial period draws criticism from the hosts as a symptom of a loosened labor market that they expect to reverse once hiring demand picks back up.

Law school and AI. A caller weighing law school against AI disruption risk is told law is likely the profession most exposed to AI, since much of it is research and precedent-based, but that lawyers won't disappear and following genuine interest matters more than trying to time a fast-changing landscape. The show closes with quiet markets, a note on the holiday trading schedule, and an announcement of the new Lost Dog merchandise store.

Trading short-handed with one host absent, the two remaining hosts run a lighter mailbag-and-calls day built around a single thread: value -- what a trader's capital is worth, what a career is worth, and what a windfall or a startup idea is worth -- is not a straight line up, and figuring out where you actually sit on the curve matters more than assuming more is always coming. Markets rally hard into triple witching, vindicating an early bullish call from the day before.

Margin mechanics and betting on yourself. A Swiss trader's question about when to add "wings" to a strangle gets a firm rule of thumb: once the strangle's margin exceeds roughly 5-7% of actual trading capital (not total account value, which may include cash reserves), buy wings wide enough to bring it back under that threshold rather than adding contracts. A second letter, from a trader who won a lawsuit settlement, asks whether to invest it in his company or trade it first; the answer is to bet mostly on yourself, funneling the bulk into the business and reserving only 10-30% for trading, a philosophy the hosts compare to corporate stock buybacks -- though they note it only holds for founders whose upside is tied to equity, not for hired executives paid a fixed salary.

Career paths and the maximum-salary-age question. A computer-science-versus-commercial-real-estate question draws a split: one is a transferable degree, the other a niche occupation, and the advice is to delay the choice until after graduation since real opportunities, not preferences formed early, should decide it. The show's title question follows: a viewer challenges an earlier on-air claim that pay potential peaks in your 30s, since most people expect raises indefinitely. The host defends it with a "decay curve" analogy from options trading -- national data shows value climbing through the 20s, peaking in the mid-30s, flattening, then declining in the 50s and 60s -- and compares it to how athletes and quarterbacks earn their largest contracts in their 30s despite physical peaks arriving earlier. A caller building an Etsy shop, an ADHD-focused finance app, and a mailing business while on a six-month industry layoff is advised to treat the window as proof-of-concept time, prioritize the more scalable app over the Etsy store, and use any traction as leverage when negotiating a return to his old job.

Trading mechanics for smaller or newer accounts. A Hawaii caller asking about calendar spreads structured to be assigned on the short leg is told there's no such strategy in 40 years of practice; the better approach is picking a slightly out-of-the-money side, using low-IV underlyings, and closing calendars early at 10-35% of max profit rather than holding for expiration. A trader overseas asking how to speculate on NASDAQ, Russell, metals, and energy markets is steered away from illiquid Russell and silver options toward ES, oil, and NASDAQ futures options as the only practical products for one-day-to-expiration spreads. A Louisville caller frustrated with inconsistent iron condor results is told iron condors are a good learning tool and fine for one-off, earnings-driven trades, but a poor core strategy; better results tend to come from going wider, skipping the wings, and choosing a directional vertical when the market view isn't neutral.

Compounding, debated. A Los Angeles caller's question about compounding's role in getting rich draws disagreement: one host calls compounding a sales gimmick next to what actually matters for a trader -- lowering cost basis and taking calculated risk for asymmetric upside -- while the other insists compounding is real, citing the rule of 72, but concedes it applies to passive investing rather than active trading, where capital needs to stay liquid. The show also touches on breaking into finance (SIE licensing, Chicago/New York/Boston/Philadelphia as the hubs) before closing on a strongly bullish market and a preview of the coming Lost Dog software launch.

Markets chop in both directions heading into December triple witching -- one host covers a short position early only to watch NASDAQ rally 200 points off its overnight low -- and the day's advice keeps returning to a single idea: valuation gaps, whether in a stock, a career, or an employee, only matter once you've separated what something is actually worth from the story being told about it.

Crypto, MSTR, and misplaced conviction. A viewer asking which cryptocurrency has the most upside is told differentiating between coins is genuinely hard even for insiders, though the hosts admit a personal lean toward Solana. A sharper question follows on MicroStrategy: one host, who has called Michael Saylor's Bitcoin-treasury strategy "one of the greatest scams of all time" for years, notes the stock's market cap has finally fallen below the value of its Bitcoin holdings -- a reversal from trading 50% above them -- making it a legitimate bounce trade for anyone still bullish on Bitcoin, but a dangerous one if Bitcoin keeps falling, since the company may be forced to sell holdings to cover its dividend, risking a self-reinforcing spiral.

Hiring, firing, and career choices. A founder asks how to handle a bad hire; both hosts admit their instinct over the years has been to avoid firing people and instead sideline them, calling it a real weakness and "not a scalable model" -- the advice is to rip the band-aid off. A 25-year-old MBA choosing between an investment-banking offer and a small tech startup is steered firmly toward the startup, with one host questioning why anyone aspires to investment banking at all beyond the money. A caller wanting to specialize for a job at a trading firm or exchange is told to go toward derivatives and other "three-dimensional" strategic products rather than plain stocks, since both employers are exceptionally hard to break into.

The Purdue grad's pivot. The show's central call comes from a Purdue finance senior with a data-analytics concentration who has traded options successfully for a year but wants to move toward long-term equity analysis and eventually build an advisory client book. The hosts' advice: credentials and a CFA help, but a 22- or 23-year-old advising clients decades older will face inherent skepticism no matter how smart he is; the real assets are experience, longevity, and a mentor's network, so he should join a firm broad enough to expose him to both analyst and adviser paths before settling on one, using the early Midwest-school reputation as an edge in landing that first role.

Nvidia, and a worker-fairness pitch. A caller citing high-profile investors trimming Nvidia positions gets a mixed answer: the hosts, long-time Nvidia bears going back to a disastrous short years ago, argue the stock "topped out" on its last earnings report and now trades in a range rather than a clear trend, but call it too big to fail; a long holder should consider selling calls against the position to lower basis rather than exit outright. Separately, a caller questions how the hosts' forthcoming Lost Dog platform will actually improve worker fairness; the answer leans on quantitative benchmarking -- giving job-seekers a data-backed number to negotiate from, rather than a vague request for "a little more," on the theory that transparency itself shifts negotiating leverage.

Closing color. The show ends on Oracle down sharply after a report that Blue Owl Capital won't back a $10 billion data-center deal, with one host recounting how Larry Ellison went from the world's richest person a month earlier to roughly half his prior net worth -- a reminder, he says, that even people with hundreds of billions can overextend. The hosts close mildly bearish for the session but expect an upward bias into Friday's close.

Nick Train, of Lindsell Train and manager of the Finsbury Growth & Income Trust for 25 years, holds that a concentrated portfolio of enduring UK-listed franchises will be vindicated despite a painful 2025. He points to LSEG and Relx, which own proprietary data AI needs, and Diageo's brands. He is answering underperformance by buying more of his own trust.

Record and philosophy. Since December 2000 Finsbury is up 733% against the UK market's 317%. Turnover averages under 5% a year, holdings are typically about 20 against a maximum of 30, and the top 10 make up 80–85%. He credits Munger's idea that eight great businesses are enough. Globally he is always bullish, citing innovation and disinflation.

The UK case. He concedes the UK lagged on growth exposure and that this isn't about to flip. Years of neglect have, however, left world-class companies cheap, and he would pick those, not a UK ETF.

Data as AI's moat. Using Schwimmer's compute–agents–data framework, he backs LSEG and Relx and notes US growth funds atop both registers.

Diageo. Arnault's Dom Pérignon versus the iPhone, and Nokia versus Diageo in 1999, frame his case that scarce brands outlast technology. Diageo has gone from £5 in 2000 to £40 by 2022.

The bad year. Down 3% versus a 20% benchmark gain, he blames a value rally, defends LSEG and Diageo, and quotes Thomas Phelps that "every sale is a confession of error". He likens being judged against a benchmark to Buffett measuring himself against the S&P 500.

Temperament. Optimism, he says, is a trained discipline. He asks shareholders to back January's continuation vote.

Markets whipsaw all morning ahead of Friday's triple witching, and the hosts spend the show applying the same lens to very different questions: what something is worth depends on liquid, current information, not on stories, stereotypes, or sunk cost. That runs from a silver short squeeze both hosts are personally caught in, to career and portfolio questions from callers navigating their own version of the same problem.

Resumes, platform accuracy, and market structure. A viewer asking how to list personal trading experience on a resume is told returns don't matter -- what matters is demonstrating engagement with how free markets work, as distinct from gambling or poker. A second letter questions the accuracy of the hosts' coming Lost Dog salary platform; the answer is that its confidence is strongest between roughly $50,000 and $300,000 in compensation, where the data (a few hundred million data points, millions of resumes) is densest, and weakest outside that range. A question about high-frequency firms entering prediction markets draws confirmation that Jane Street, Citadel, Jump and others are already market-making there, which the hosts expect will tighten spreads sharply, though many niche prediction markets are too small or unhedgeable to attract serious liquidity.

The silver squeeze, personal and painful. Multiple letters and asides return to silver, which both hosts are short via in-the-money calls sold in the low-to-mid 50s through the low 60s while the metal keeps climbing. With implied volatility rank near 85-87%, the advice -- to a viewer and to themselves -- is to hold rather than capitulate, keep delta small, spread with far out-of-the-money short puts, and only trim if the position becomes unmanageable; one host admits he's already blown through his own "max pain" level and is now treating it as a long-term hold.

Career calls. A caller building career capital asks whether to specialize in a liquid or illiquid job market; the hosts split slightly, one favoring following genuine strengths regardless of market size, the other favoring staying broad enough to preserve optionality and historical data about the role. A University of Illinois finance junior interested in AI and eventual entrepreneurship is told to lead with AI immediately after graduation, since that knowledge is worth the most fresh out of school, and to bank entrepreneurial ambition for his early-to-mid 30s, when that kind of value typically peaks; taking the standalone SIE exam before graduating is recommended as an inexpensive signal of initiative. A caller with a disability asks how the disabled community, which faces double the general unemployment rate, can negotiate pay more assertively; the answer is that self-advocacy works best when a candidate has other options and doesn't overreach, since candidates who ask for a specific, modest increase rarely get turned down.

Trading philosophy and money management. A longtime viewer now trading SPX zero-DTE options exclusively, in larger size and less frequently than the show's usual "trade small, trade often" advice, is told to keep doing what works given his experience -- zero-DTE SPX offers liquidity, cash settlement, and favorable 60/40 tax treatment even when volatility is otherwise low. A caller reports a cousin's revenge-trading losses in zero-DTE options; the hosts call angry trading a near-universal loser, arguing markets are indifferent to any individual trader's grievance. A retiree wanting to self-direct part of a managed account is told adviser resistance is a fee-model problem -- most advisers earn 55 to 100-plus basis points on assets under management -- and usually dissolves once a client credibly threatens to move the account; one host recounts asking an adviser how returns compared to the S&P and getting "we don't compare ourselves that way" as confirmation to walk away. The show closes with markets whipping between gains and losses into the close, a note that late-December selloffs are historically rare, and a preview of a possible bullish bounce heading into January.

The show closes a three-part series on AI and trading with the market itself providing a live example of the theme: a Fed rate cut sends stocks, gold, and silver to fresh highs in the final hour, and the hosts frame the whole episode -- from tokenized markets to Chinese AI models to their own business history -- around the idea that technology and adaptability compound, while rigid thinking gets left behind.

Mailbag: the platform, the failures, and the crypto question. Early letters clarify that Lost Dog, launching within weeks, is an AI-driven career-value platform, not a trading tool, though it will include a portfolio page and eventually a tokenized rewards system. Asked about the worst businesses they've been part of, the hosts recount a failed mail-order sunglasses-and-CDs business, a Malian gold mine that shut down before gold's price rally made it valuable, and a restaurant investment where an employee was reportedly running a heroin side business. On crypto's concentration risk, one host says he's no longer worried about broad infrastructure risk given improvements since Mt. Gox and FTX, but singles out MicroStrategy and its Bitcoin-treasury imitators as a genuine single point of failure that could destabilize the broader Bitcoin market if forced into a liquidation spiral.

Unleashed: the AI-and-trading roadmap. The segment runs through a list of predicted developments, presented as forecasts rather than existing capability: instant (T+0) settlement that would eliminate counterparty risk; event-driven, tokenized binary contracts (a market the hosts say has already roughly doubled in size); token-based derivatives, not yet approved by the CFTC in the US but active abroad; blockchain-based credential validation to reduce fraud; deeper liquidity from broader retail participation; regulated digital exchanges as "safe sandboxes" bridging decentralization and institutional trust; and synthetic exposure to otherwise hard-to-access assets, expected in broker-dealer accounts within about a year. One host predicts investing will eventually move toward public liquidity pools where customers can take either side of a market, similar to sports betting.

Bad Dog: Chinese AI and disinformation risk. Asked whether it's safe to use Chinese AI models, one host says he's comfortable with DeepSeek or Alibaba given China's lead on innovation and lower cost, and argues he distrusts Meta's leadership as much as any Chinese AI firm; he'd rather see US-China cooperation than a binary, adversarial framing, especially as reports surface that Meta may be shutting down its open-source Llama model because it can't compete with Chinese alternatives. Asked whether AI supercharges disinformation risk, both agree it plainly does, particularly around deepfaked political content ahead of upcoming elections, though they disagree on whether the upside of AI advancement outweighs that risk.

Wow: the case for pivoting. The hosts describe pivoting as an art rather than a science requiring agility and mental toughness, since most people wrongly treat a pivot as an admission of failure rather than a correction. They cite their own history -- moving from a broader software concept to pure brokerage when building Thinkorswim, and from pure content to a second brokerage when building tastytrade -- alongside Nvidia's own near-collapse before its AI pivot, as evidence that customer feedback should always be welcomed even when it isn't acted upon, and that clinging to a plan that isn't working is the more common and costlier mistake.

The middle installment of the show's three-part AI series runs alongside a Fed meeting the hosts expect to end in a quarter-point cut, and the day's throughline is that better technology consistently wins over resistance to it -- whether the resistance is regulatory caution, "purist" objections, or, in one sharp on-air disagreement, a ban meant to protect teenagers from social media.

Mailbag: ghost jobs, entrepreneurs, and quant-firm recruiting. Asked whether the coming Lost Dog platform will address "ghost postings" -- job listings, estimated at 18-22% of the total, that companies use to gauge interest or harvest resumes rather than fill a real role -- the hosts say no; the product quantifies individual worth rather than fixing hiring-market transparency. Asked what traits successful entrepreneurs share, they name a high risk tolerance, total work-ethic commitment (working past midnight, doing every task from A to Z), and the ability to make fast decisions without waffling, noting they've long preferred hiring former floor traders precisely because self-employment habituates people to "eat what you kill." A follow-up on quant and high-frequency trading firms explains their preference for young hires: many actively avoid candidates with financial backgrounds because they want minds without preconceptions, and one firm the hosts know cuts its bottom 10% of staff every year -- a demanding, well-paid track that mirrors how floor trading itself skewed young in its early decades.

Unleashed: AI's near-term impact on trading infrastructure. The segment runs through a list of expected improvements, mostly framed as forecasts. Real-time, AI-driven liquidity sensing would replace today's static liquidity ratings; anomaly detection would help identify manipulation patterns too subtle for human surveillance to catch across millions of daily orders; and execution speed, already compressed from an hour-long floor process in the 1980s to roughly 200 milliseconds today, will keep falling. A tangent on universal "chipping" -- implanting people with location-tracking technology -- splits the hosts, with one enthusiastically for it and the other flatly opposed. On tokenization, the hosts describe a future where fractional ownership extends investing into currently untouchable assets: private credit, real estate, insurance risk, and collectibles, framed as inevitable given past examples like sports betting's move online, even though the insurance industry and other incumbents are expected to lobby against it. Smart contract automation is framed as the biggest structural fix, eliminating counterparty risk of the kind that terrified traders during the October 1987 crash, when clearing firms like Schwab were reportedly deeply underwater and nobody knew which trades would ultimately settle.

Bad Dog: a startup valuation, a social-media ban, and "AI as the new oil." A two-month-old AI hardware startup raising $475 million at a $4.5 billion valuation draws skepticism from both hosts, who say they'd rather invest once a company has demonstrated something, even acknowledging the founder's track record of two successful prior exits. Australia's ban on social media for under-16s produces the show's sharpest disagreement: one host calls it clearly beneficial given documented harm to teenagers and comparisons to age restrictions on alcohol and cigarettes, while the other calls it a false sense of security that will drive kids to work around it and predicts Australia will fall behind culturally as a result. Both agree, without much elaboration, that AI is becoming "the new oil" -- a resource whose scale now dwarfs the oil industry and could become a genuine geopolitical battleground, mostly through corporate and legislative competition rather than armed conflict.

Wow: negotiation as trained skill. The segment frames negotiation as a learnable discipline built on knowing your desired outcome in advance, active listening, and treating disagreements as solvable problems rather than fights. The core tactical point: give away concessions on points that matter little to you but a lot to the other side, in exchange for concessions on the points that matter most to you -- described as the difference between "small wins" and "the big stuff." The hosts connect this directly to a Lost Dog feature that will show users a projected lifetime "opportunity cost" of weak negotiating, citing an average figure of $2.6 million as an example of what the tool claims to reveal -- a marketing claim about an unreleased product rather than an independently verified number. The show closes with a choppy, low-conviction trading day ahead of the next day's Fed decision, both hosts positioned modestly short equities and long bonds, and one recounting having covered a short Nvidia call position just before the stock moved on overnight chip-export news.

Opening a three-part AI series, the hosts frame the day's thesis plainly: AI's near-term impact on trading and investing is overwhelmingly positive and mostly already available for free, and the risk isn't that it takes over decision-making but that people ignore it and fall behind. Markets themselves stay quiet and mixed, with bonds moving against what the Fed's expected rate cut would predict.

Mailbag: regulation, bad workplaces, and selling a company. Freed from public-company compliance, the hosts agree regulatory oversight is expensive and slows innovation, but one adds a contrarian point: heavy regulation also functions as a barrier to entry that protects incumbents' margins, citing lightly regulated crypto as the comparison case. Asked how to navigate a poorly run employer, the advice is that senior leadership at bad companies rarely lasts, and that a team's morale is usually a faster diagnostic than management's stated intentions -- if the answer is uniformly bad, it's time to look elsewhere. On selling a business, both hosts favor negotiating one-on-one with a like-minded acquirer over running a formal investment-bank auction, which they call a sign of desperation; investment bankers, they argue, tend to "chatter" to generate competing bids because more interest earns them a bigger fee, whereas a quiet direct negotiation, even if it eventually draws other bidders once word leaks, keeps control with the seller. A stable-coin question turns into a preview of Lost Dog's planned stable-coin launch, framed as a bridge into a broader digital ecosystem rather than a product with an immediate practical use case in the US.

Unleashed: AI applied to trading, point by point. The segment runs through roughly a dozen use cases, each framed as already available (often free) technology rather than something new to build. Probability-weighted position sizing turns gut-feel views into math-driven bet sizing; dynamic regime detection flags shifts in volatility, liquidity, or sentiment faster than a human could; alternative data (weather, supply chains, social signals) surfaces trends before they show up in price; tail-risk scanning helps flag when a position approaches an unquantifiable, three-standard-deviation move -- one host recounts asking an AI model what to do with short puts facing such a move and getting the blunt answer "cover." Additional use cases include microstructure-aware execution to reduce slippage (illustrated by a rough experience shorting the illiquid stock Reddit), cross-asset correlation mapping for pairs trades where even experienced traders disagree on hedge ratios, real-time stress testing, self-learning models that compress what used to take new traders two years down to weeks, and adaptive hedging for tail events like the April Japan-related volatility spike, when the VIX roughly tripled overnight with no way to prepare for it structurally.

Bad Dog: AI's darker questions. State-by-state AI regulation is dismissed by both hosts as unworkable given the internet's borderless nature, with the more likely explanation being that individual states are protecting themselves from litigation risk in the absence of federal policy. On whether AI can be used ethically, one host cites a 60 Minutes report on chatbots that reportedly encouraged teenage suicides as proof of real, unsolved harm, dismissing "teen accounts" as an inadequate safeguard since kids will route around them, and concedes that broad societal benefit may simply have to coexist with harm to some users -- calling it, uncomfortably, "the cost of doing business." Asked whether it's too late to invest in AI stocks, the hosts partly diverge: both agree pure AI hardware and software plays now carry unfavorable risk-reward, but one distinguishes today's leaders from 2000-era dot-com stocks, since companies like Nvidia, Apple, and Microsoft are now multi-trillion-dollar and effectively "too big to fail," unlike the billion-dollar internet companies that could and did vanish.

Wow: AI literacy as a career baseline. The segment argues technical fluency is now a career necessity rather than an optional skill, framing even non-technical workers as needing to "talk the talk," and pointing to the hosts' own experience compressing months of white-paper research into hours using AI tools as evidence of the compression in time and cost now available to anyone willing to experiment.

The show's central argument is a genuine, unresolved disagreement between the two hosts over whether grueling work hours are a virtue or a trap, playing out across a quiet trading day where the S&P sits about 1% from all-time highs despite a rough morning selloff that reversed by the close.

Pivoting, pitching, and burnout. Early mailbag questions set up the day's theme of ownership versus employment. Asked about a strength for "blowing things up" rather than holding onto failing ideas, both hosts describe repeatedly scrapping expensive projects -- a finished studio ripped out a day after completion, an unaired commercial, a discarded conference booth -- and frame the willingness to admit a mistake quickly as a psychological strength rather than a business tactic. On raising capital, the hosts genuinely disagree: one argues investors are betting roughly 90% on the person and only 10% on the idea, citing his own openness to fund a friend's new venture on relationship alone even without fully understanding the business; the other insists an idea has to be understood and believed in before the person pitching it matters, unless that person already has a track record to lean on. A related question about judging a University of Chicago entrepreneurship competition draws a similar answer: one host says he judges almost entirely on who can promote the idea most persuasively, rather than the underlying mechanics. On burnout, the two describe fundamentally different relationships to work -- one treats yoga and daily cycling as essential stress outlets and calls burnout "very real," while the other says it has simply never been a factor across four decades of self-employment, adding that idle time at home is what actually burns him out.

The 9-9-6 debate. The day's marquee disagreement centers on China's "996" work culture (9 a.m. to 9 p.m., six days a week) and the broader Western trend toward four-day workweeks. One host describes his own history of 80-hour weeks with no day off for years while building his companies and argues that the hardest-working people are always an organization's most valuable, regardless of the hours logged elsewhere; he dismisses reports of a young Chinese worker's death after a 996 shift as an outlier rather than a systemic problem. His co-host pushes back hard: business owners with equity upside operate under fundamentally different incentives than salaried staff working "to live," and treating founder-level hours as a universal standard is unreasonable when applied to employees who don't share in the same payoff. The disagreement extends into a UK four-day-workweek trial cited in the segment -- 92% of participating firms continuing the policy afterward, a reported 39% drop in stress and 71% reduction in burnout -- which one host dismisses as self-reported and likely explained by fear of losing staff to competitors rather than any real productivity gain, drawing a parallel to pandemic-era remote work, which he insists cost real output regardless of what employees claimed. Both ultimately agree they personally support something like a compressed four-day, 10-hour week as an ideal, even as they disagree sharply about whether 996-style hours are defensible for anyone besides an owner.

A Fed chair rant, and branding as differentiation. A scripted "Bad Dog" segment argues that a politically chosen Federal Reserve chair -- with prediction markets giving one candidate an 86% chance of the job -- threatens the central bank's credibility with markets more than it threatens any specific policy outcome, noting that long-term Treasury yields have been rising even as a widely expected rate cut approaches, a sign bond traders aren't fully buying the independence story. The closing "Wow" segment turns to branding, which the hosts credit as more important to their success than traditional marketing: the Thinkorswim name and cherry-shaped Tastytrade logo both outlasted the corporate acquirers that eventually owned them, and the hosts attribute their customer loyalty to treating every account size identically and to being personally visible and responsive rather than hiding behind a nameless brand -- contrasting themselves with the largely anonymous CEOs of most other brokerage firms. The show closes on a mixed, quiet trading day: the Russell outperforming, NASDAQ relatively weak, implied volatility collapsed across many post-earnings tech names and even some commodities, and both hosts noting they're modestly net short into the close with the market still roughly 1% from record highs.

Trading through a choppy, directionless session that ends mixed -- NASDAQ up sharply on Apple and Nvidia strength, silver stubbornly refusing to sell off against one host's short position -- the hosts spend the day on a consistent theme: real investment, whether in a company, a career, or a national workforce, requires accepting short-term discomfort now to avoid a much more expensive problem later.

Competing, cash flow, and dilution. A small-business owner's question about competing with larger, established firms draws a simple answer: stop worrying about competitors entirely, since even massive companies fixate on rivals bigger than themselves, and differentiation matters more than benchmarking. A related letter on free cash flow gets a more pointed answer -- revenue without free cash flow works only for a small set of outlier companies (Amazon, Uber, Tesla in their early years), and most businesses that lack it are exposed the moment they hit any setback. The mailbag's sharpest and most repeated point concerns share dilution: the hosts' long-standing rule is to raise capital when you don't need it rather than when you do, since desperate fundraising costs far more in price and control than raising from strength, and the discomfort of dilution is worth pushing through so long as founders retain voting control above 50%. A caller's mediocre job offer, far from his preferred Silicon Valley market, splits the hosts: one says decline it and keep looking if finances allow, since disliking both the role and the location dooms the outcome regardless, while the other argues take it anyway for the networking and experience. A related question about dealing with self-doubt after a run of trading or business failure draws a shared answer that recovery from failure, not avoiding it, is what defines long-term success, illustrated by one host's story of losing his entire trading stake in his first week on the floor decades ago.

Should upskilling be mandated? The day's main discussion segment weighs whether the US should require employers to fund worker training given a persistent skills gap, since US employer spending on labor development lags other advanced economies by a wide margin and university curricula move slower than the economy's actual skill demands. The hosts ultimately reject a mandate on both practical and philosophical grounds: a compliance-driven requirement would likely produce low-quality, checkbox training rather than real skill development, would burden small businesses disproportionately, and relies on the same large employers -- Amazon and Apple are named specifically -- who already avoid paying a proportionate share of corporate tax. Their preferred fix is structural rather than regulatory: close corporate tax loopholes and use that revenue to fund public education and training at a national level, treating it as a foundational economic problem rather than one individual companies should be forced to solve. Both note, without contradiction, that recent immigration and visa restrictions risk closing off the "brain drain" that let the US import scarce technical talent rather than train it domestically, and that the consequences of that shift are still unfolding.

DOGE, and investing in yourself. A scripted rant argues that the Department of Government Efficiency effort, led by a since-departed billionaire adviser, amounted to reckless cruelty rather than genuine fiscal reform -- firing tens of thousands of federal employees in food safety, disaster response, and infrastructure roles for savings the host calls negligible next to the driving figure's own wealth and compensation demands. The closing "invest in yourself" segment mostly finds agreement (401(k) matching as free money, professional certifications, ongoing networking) but surfaces a minor disagreement over whether early retirement investing (an IRA specifically) is worth prioritizing for a 24-year-old versus simply opening a taxable trading account; both agree that continuous, informal learning -- reading, certifications, staying technically literate -- compounds into measurable career value over time, which the hosts tie to their own platform's attempt to quantify how newly acquired skills change a worker's market value.

On a quiet, rally-heavy pre-Thanksgiving session -- the S&P and NASDAQ both roughly 1% from all-time highs with almost no sector rotation -- the hosts spend the day on a single connecting idea: whether it's a company deciding what to do with excess cash, a CEO deciding what to say publicly about their own stock, or an individual deciding whether to take risk at work, the honest answer usually differs from the convenient one.

Borrowing, volatility, and career mailbag. Asked whether to borrow against a house or against Bitcoin, the hosts land on rate-shopping over asset-class preference, though one favors the house simply because it carries far less volatility as collateral. A question about whether market volatility affects hiring gets a nuanced answer: day-to-day swings mean little, but the tariff-driven volatility since April has visibly made companies more cautious about hiring, and the hosts note their new platform's live jobs-data feed shows stock market performance and interest rates are measurably built into how companies price roles. On job-hopping, both hosts agree that leaving positions within six to twelve months is close to a disqualifying red flag in hiring -- it takes at least six months to actually learn a role, and losing a trained employee is among the costliest mistakes a business can make -- while movement within a single company via promotion is viewed completely differently. A post-MBA founder asking how to raise capital with minimal experience is told the honest constraint is a thin network and short track record, illustrated by one host's own first capital raise ($10 million for a trading fund in the late 1980s) coming only after seven or eight years of visible success; the deeper point is that raising money requires being comfortable asking and absorbing repeated rejection. A Fortune 500 employee weighing whether to take risk at work is told corporate risk-reward is fundamentally asymmetric compared to being an owner -- credit for a good bet gets diluted moving up a hierarchy, so the likelier payoff for taking career risk is a better opportunity elsewhere rather than a reward at the current job.

Stock buybacks, weighed honestly. The main segment runs through the tradeoffs between the four uses of excess corporate cash -- buybacks, acquisitions, dividends, and reinvestment -- with both hosts, who've sat on both sides of public-company buyback decisions, expressing real ambivalence. Buybacks read as a "safe play" that signals confidence to the market, but the hosts cite IBM's roughly $150 billion in buybacks over two decades against a company worth about $170 billion as proof the signal doesn't guarantee a good outcome. Dividends draw more consistent skepticism from one host, who'd always rather see cash redeployed to grow the business than paid out. Acquisitions get framed candidly: buying an innovative smaller company is usually cheaper than trying to build that innovation internally, which is why premiums for strategic acquisitions are typically justified rather than overpaying, and "fire sale" bargains are rare. On the downside, both agree buybacks can divert money from R&D and wages, disproportionately benefit already-wealthy shareholders, and inflate the same stock-price metrics executive compensation is tied to -- a dynamic one host compares to a sports coach who's effectively "hired to be fired" within a matter of years.

CEOs pumping their own stock. A scripted rant argues that Nvidia's Jensen Huang and AMD's Lisa Su made strongly bullish public statements about AI demand and valuation even as their own SEC filings show substantial personal stock sales -- roughly $13 million a day for Huang since summer, $37 million for Su -- contrasting them with executives like Buffett, Musk, or Jamie Dimon who have publicly acknowledged their own companies might be overvalued. The argument isn't that the CEOs are lying, but that executive compensation tied to share price structurally rewards optimistic public messaging regardless of the underlying risk to retail investors who take the "buy" signal at face value; both Nvidia and AMD shares fell meaningfully in the weeks following the comments cited.

Career pivots and the platform's pitch. The closing segment previews a Lost Dog feature that maps a user's stated skills against seven industries -- finance, education, healthcare, government, retail/consumer, tech, and business services -- to suggest where a given skill set might transfer best, alongside the now-familiar advice to self-assess honestly, start any pivot small, and keep learning continuously.

On a quiet, rally-heavy pre-Thanksgiving session -- the S&P and NASDAQ both roughly 1% from all-time highs with almost no sector rotation -- the hosts spend the day on a single connecting idea: whether it's a company deciding what to do with excess cash, a CEO deciding what to say publicly about their own stock, or an individual deciding whether to take risk at work, the honest answer usually differs from the convenient one.

Borrowing, volatility, and career mailbag. Asked whether to borrow against a house or against Bitcoin, the hosts land on rate-shopping over asset-class preference, though one favors the house simply because it carries far less volatility as collateral. A question about whether market volatility affects hiring gets a nuanced answer: day-to-day swings mean little, but the tariff-driven volatility since April has visibly made companies more cautious about hiring, and the hosts note their new platform's live jobs-data feed shows stock market performance and interest rates are measurably built into how companies price roles. On job-hopping, both hosts agree that leaving positions within six to twelve months is close to a disqualifying red flag in hiring -- it takes at least six months to actually learn a role, and losing a trained employee is among the costliest mistakes a business can make -- while movement within a single company via promotion is viewed completely differently. A post-MBA founder asking how to raise capital with minimal experience is told the honest constraint is a thin network and short track record, illustrated by one host's own first capital raise ($10 million for a trading fund in the late 1980s) coming only after seven or eight years of visible success; the deeper point is that raising money requires being comfortable asking and absorbing repeated rejection. A Fortune 500 employee weighing whether to take risk at work is told corporate risk-reward is fundamentally asymmetric compared to being an owner -- credit for a good bet gets diluted moving up a hierarchy, so the likelier payoff for taking career risk is a better opportunity elsewhere rather than a reward at the current job.

Stock buybacks, weighed honestly. The main segment runs through the tradeoffs between the four uses of excess corporate cash -- buybacks, acquisitions, dividends, and reinvestment -- with both hosts, who've sat on both sides of public-company buyback decisions, expressing real ambivalence. Buybacks read as a "safe play" that signals confidence to the market, but the hosts cite IBM's roughly $150 billion in buybacks over two decades against a company worth about $170 billion as proof the signal doesn't guarantee a good outcome. Dividends draw more consistent skepticism from one host, who'd always rather see cash redeployed to grow the business than paid out. Acquisitions get framed candidly: buying an innovative smaller company is usually cheaper than trying to build that innovation internally, which is why premiums for strategic acquisitions are typically justified rather than overpaying, and "fire sale" bargains are rare. On the downside, both agree buybacks can divert money from R&D and wages, disproportionately benefit already-wealthy shareholders, and inflate the same stock-price metrics executive compensation is tied to -- a dynamic one host compares to a sports coach who's effectively "hired to be fired" within a matter of years.

CEOs pumping their own stock. A scripted rant argues that Nvidia's Jensen Huang and AMD's Lisa Su made strongly bullish public statements about AI demand and valuation even as their own SEC filings show substantial personal stock sales -- roughly $13 million a day for Huang since summer, $37 million for Su -- contrasting them with executives like Buffett, Musk, or Jamie Dimon who have publicly acknowledged their own companies might be overvalued. The argument isn't that the CEOs are lying, but that executive compensation tied to share price structurally rewards optimistic public messaging regardless of the underlying risk to retail investors who take the "buy" signal at face value; both Nvidia and AMD shares fell meaningfully in the weeks following the comments cited.

Career pivots and the platform's pitch. The closing segment previews a Lost Dog feature that maps a user's stated skills against seven industries -- finance, education, healthcare, government, retail/consumer, tech, and business services -- to suggest where a given skill set might transfer best, alongside the now-familiar advice to self-assess honestly, start any pivot small, and keep learning continuously.

Trading through a genuinely volatile session -- the NASDAQ swings from down roughly 400 points to unchanged while Nvidia, AMD, and Oracle sell off even as the broader market rallies -- the hosts spend the day defending the idea that big, hard-to-quantify decisions (going to college, choosing a mortgage term, taking feedback) deserve options and honesty rather than paternalistic rules imposed by people who think they know better.

Mailbag and the Lost Dog origin story. A consultant asking whether the coming Lost Dog software can price hourly or daily rates is told the platform works in annual terms, but dividing an annual figure by 2,000 hours gets a rough answer; the exchange turns into a brief aside on exempt-versus-non-exempt labor law and why the hosts have never structured their own hires around hourly billing. Asked whether the show will keep discussing markets and trading, the hosts confirm yes, but frame it less as active-trading instruction and more as building financial literacy and comfort with two-sided markets, tying it to a coming portfolio feature on the platform. A charming aside reveals the platform's name traces to a "Lost Cat" poster spotted in an Atlanta green room years earlier -- the hosts liked the format enough to build a "Lost Dog" counterpart, distinct from their prior brand names, which were simply invented on the spot. A 20-year-old engineering student is told the software will let him model his profile against any profession or city, not just his intended path, functioning as a two-sided market for a career decision rather than a verdict on which major to choose.

Should you go to college? The day's central segment weighs the cost of a degree (roughly $27,000 a year in public tuition, $58,000 private, $30,000-$40,000 in average student debt) against $1.2 million in additional lifetime earnings and roughly half the unemployment rate of high school graduates, alongside trade school and coding bootcamps as faster, cheaper alternatives for people without the option or interest in a four-year path. The hosts largely agree the numbers favor college for anyone who can afford it, but split on why: one frames the choice as maximizing return on a specific career goal, while the other flatly rejects that framing, using his own path -- a political science degree, unrelated internships, and a Wall Street job offer landed on confidence and networking rather than subject expertise -- as proof that college's real value is the maturation, friendships, and confidence gained along the way, regardless of major. Both agree a résumé line about where someone went to school matters mainly in the first few years of a career and fades after that, though one host concedes that categorically refusing to consider candidates without a degree risks eliminating people who built comparable skill through experience instead.

A 50-year mortgage, and growth mindset. A scripted rant argues financial commentators criticizing the newly floated 50-year mortgage option are missing that the realistic alternative for many buyers isn't a standard 30-year loan but no homeownership at all, framing the roughly $226 monthly payment reduction as meaningful for buyers otherwise locked out, and casting resistance to the option as a kind of financial paternalism inconsistent with how leverage is already extended to wealthier buyers. The closing segment on growth mindset surfaces a running disagreement over terminology -- one host prefers to call it "positive drift," the constant, cumulative process of getting better, while the other insists growth mindset specifically includes learning from failure -- and a sharper split over feedback itself: one host calls "constructive criticism" inherently passive-aggressive, preferring blunt direct correction, while the other considers gently naming what isn't working to be constructive by definition, calling the disagreement mostly semantic. Both agree, without disagreement, that hard work in one's younger years pays off later even at some cost to work-life balance, illustrated by a story about a trading-desk mistake during COVID that could have ended someone's job but instead became, in the hosts' telling, a formative lesson survived rather than a career-ending failure.

Trading through a genuinely volatile session -- the NASDAQ swings from down roughly 400 points to unchanged while Nvidia, AMD, and Oracle sell off even as the broader market rallies -- the hosts spend the day defending the idea that big, hard-to-quantify decisions (going to college, choosing a mortgage term, taking feedback) deserve options and honesty rather than paternalistic rules imposed by people who think they know better.

Mailbag and the Lost Dog origin story. A consultant asking whether the coming Lost Dog software can price hourly or daily rates is told the platform works in annual terms, but dividing an annual figure by 2,000 hours gets a rough answer; the exchange turns into a brief aside on exempt-versus-non-exempt labor law and why the hosts have never structured their own hires around hourly billing. Asked whether the show will keep discussing markets and trading, the hosts confirm yes, but frame it less as active-trading instruction and more as building financial literacy and comfort with two-sided markets, tying it to a coming portfolio feature on the platform. A charming aside reveals the platform's name traces to a "Lost Cat" poster spotted in an Atlanta green room years earlier -- the hosts liked the format enough to build a "Lost Dog" counterpart, distinct from their prior brand names, which were simply invented on the spot. A 20-year-old engineering student is told the software will let him model his profile against any profession or city, not just his intended path, functioning as a two-sided market for a career decision rather than a verdict on which major to choose.

Should you go to college? The day's central segment weighs the cost of a degree (roughly $27,000 a year in public tuition, $58,000 private, $30,000-$40,000 in average student debt) against $1.2 million in additional lifetime earnings and roughly half the unemployment rate of high school graduates, alongside trade school and coding bootcamps as faster, cheaper alternatives for people without the option or interest in a four-year path. The hosts largely agree the numbers favor college for anyone who can afford it, but split on why: one frames the choice as maximizing return on a specific career goal, while the other flatly rejects that framing, using his own path -- a political science degree, unrelated internships, and a Wall Street job offer landed on confidence and networking rather than subject expertise -- as proof that college's real value is the maturation, friendships, and confidence gained along the way, regardless of major. Both agree a résumé line about where someone went to school matters mainly in the first few years of a career and fades after that, though one host concedes that categorically refusing to consider candidates without a degree risks eliminating people who built comparable skill through experience instead.

A 50-year mortgage, and growth mindset. A scripted rant argues financial commentators criticizing the newly floated 50-year mortgage option are missing that the realistic alternative for many buyers isn't a standard 30-year loan but no homeownership at all, framing the roughly $226 monthly payment reduction as meaningful for buyers otherwise locked out, and casting resistance to the option as a kind of financial paternalism inconsistent with how leverage is already extended to wealthier buyers. The closing segment on growth mindset surfaces a running disagreement over terminology -- one host prefers to call it "positive drift," the constant, cumulative process of getting better, while the other insists growth mindset specifically includes learning from failure -- and a sharper split over feedback itself: one host calls "constructive criticism" inherently passive-aggressive, preferring blunt direct correction, while the other considers gently naming what isn't working to be constructive by definition, calling the disagreement mostly semantic. Both agree, without disagreement, that hard work in one's younger years pays off later even at some cost to work-life balance, illustrated by a story about a trading-desk mistake during COVID that could have ended someone's job but instead became, in the hosts' telling, a formative lesson survived rather than a career-ending failure.