Recorded at Build for .NET Rocks' 1,900th episode and cross-published as Hanselminutes, this has Carl Franklin and Richard Campbell interviewing Hanselman as their guest. Where he ends up is a creed for the second half of a career: be a teacher and a "yes, and" mentor to early-career developers, judge yourself only against yourself, and give and take feedback without meanness, on the belief that being kind consistently for decades pays off.
How Hanselminutes began. Hanselman says the show exists because Franklin called him about 18 years ago and dared him to make a podcast better than the ones he said sucked; Franklin then edited and produced roughly his first 500 episodes. Hanselman puts his own count at about 950.
The older developer's job. Franklin frames the conversation around a run of shows about ageing senior developers. Hanselman, newly Microsoft's VP of developer community, says his identity was never the company: he is a teacher, and the question on his way out is who the next Campbell, Franklin or Angie Jones will be. What older developers offer is patient mentorship and historical context, provided they stop bringing "stop energy" to young people's enthusiasm. One host adds that the best speakers build first and talk afterwards.
Getting noticed. Asked whether the field is harder to enter now, Hanselman says information is easier to get and attention harder. He repeats his "dark matter developers" argument and warns against comparing yourself with anyone's GitHub graph. On podcasting he says the first 100 episodes are a grind nobody hears, and that the point was always the conversations.
How deep to go. The stack is now so deep that most people stop at HTTP. Hanselman calls it disrespectful to make newcomers learn the lower layers first, using the stick-shift analogy (3–4% of US cars, against 50–60% in Europe). He advises going one level below where you work. Some people are natural systems thinkers, like the student who asked whether the neighbours had power. The hosts agree programmers are different species, and Hanselman relays Scott Hunter's advice to hire for "height", meaning curiosity, over specific languages.
Message from Build. Hanselman's advice is to vote with your feet and say what you like and dislike. He calls Microsoft 300,000 people, not a monolith, and says that unlike Apple's, its engineers can be found and will usually listen if approached without meanness.
The quiz. Franklin quizzes him on lines from 20 years of past appearances, from Dave's search bar in 2003 to a LASIK machine running Windows 98. He gets them all right and concludes he is "nothing if not consistent".
Meanness and perspective. Revisiting a 2015 panel where he called a critic's remark "either elitist or mean", Hanselman says the feedback was 75% valid but was delivered like a rock through a window. He points to his "software and saving babies" post to argue that most bugs are not life-or-death, and calls himself a perpetual optimist.